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Suggestion Research lab focus on gen III

#1
Hi,

Some of you have heard of me, others not. Either way, here's a guy with several years of background with gb/c pokemon rom hacking, and mostly with Pokemon Silver and Crystal.

In 2009, guys at Skeetendo Inc. put up the first forum dedicated on rom hacking of generation I and II pokemon games for GB/C. Over the years, we gathered loads of interesting documentation related to GameBoy hacking, and game-speficifically related to gen I & II pokemon only. This made it possible for the forums to become a place for both newcomers to learn because all the important stuff was there within your reach (and at least, mainly not scattered around several of sites).

Now as a suggestion for this newly born forum, why not do exactly the same thing. Silph Co. could become the place to join for gen III pokemon rom hacking if the forum was dedicated simply to that. Thus especially "Research lab" could be constructed so that there would be a separate forum for GBA / general rom hacking related stuff, perhaps another one for gen III, and the rest could have their own section if needed. Similar structure can be found in Skeetendo (hax.iimarck.org) where we have one sub forum under "Discussions, documents and tutorials" for mostly GameBoy related content, and separate sub forums for gen I and II tutorials.

And if we open up any of the sub forums - let's say, GameBoy & Cross-gen - we can find stickied threads on the top that will always be shown there. These are something I think this forum would also value of. Some documents are simply much more valuable than others. They help both newcomers and growing hackers in a different way than just browsing around the forums trying to find something interesting while at the same time running into tool-specific tutorials which are of course also good to have, but probably shouldn't be on top of the list when you open up the tutorials section.

Similarly related to above, this kind of a thread should definitely exist, and someone should take charge of keeping it up-to-date:
https://hax.iimarckus.org/topic/6675/

That there is our Global FAQ & Resource thread that's supposed to contain short information and links to all really relevant threads in the research sub forum. Danny-E33 there did a great job in pulling this off, and even for me who has been around for a long time, it has been a great help to easily find information I had been looking for. It has also been a useful thread to link newcomers to when they join the forums seeing that there are dozens of threads around, and needing guidance in getting started.

Sorry for so many references to our Skeetendo hacking forum. But I think IIMarckus, Danny, Mateo, and others did great job with it, and I believe following similar footsteps would also bring lots of good here in building an effective forum centered around gen III pokemon hacking.
 

Pia Carrot

Administrator
Admin
#2
Skeetendo has it's issues as well, such as the fact is constantly dies and the format content is presented isn't exactly nice. Also, 2 of your admins on this site hack the original gens, being myself and Luna (Mateo). I personally hack exclusively generation 2.

Something I hated about PokéCommunity was its ostracizing of gen 1 and 2 hacks and shoveling people to Skeetendo, and it's something I definitely don't want to happen here. We want all Pokémon ROM hackers to feel welcome here, and build up a community.

With that said, awesome to see you here, Miksy! I hope you'll stick around.
 

Alice

ClariS<3
Admin
#3
This is certainly an interesting suggestion, and one I think we'll have to think carefully about. I'd be interested to see what other people think about it.
 
OP
OP
Miksy91
#4
Skeetendo has it's issues as well, such as the fact is constantly dies and the format content is presented isn't exactly nice. Also, 2 of your admins on this site hack the original gens, being myself and Luna (Mateo). I personally hack exclusively generation 2.

Something I hated about PokéCommunity was its ostracizing of gen 1 and 2 hacks and shoveling people to Skeetendo, and it's something I definitely don't want to happen here. We want all Pokémon ROM hackers to feel welcome here, and build up a community.
I personally don't have anything against what that forum is like, and don't think it would require much changes in that sense. But it has become quite dead, that's for sure.

Also I started thinking about this a bit more now that you replied.. I don't think it's a good idea to copy over the same research content here because if we did that, we would have another place for discussing the same problems that would be good to be shared in the other forum as well. And vice versa.

At the same time, if this forum was to grow a lot, and we did have talk about gen I and II related stuff here (pokered, pokecrystal, traditional gen I and II rom hacking), some gen III hackers could also become interested about the older generations. Gen I & II tutorials section would also be a nice way to guide others here instead of "shoveling people to Skeetendo" like you mentioned above.

So both do have their ups and downs. But yeah... could actually be a good idea to show at least some interesting tutorials related to gen and II hacking here also (disassembly editing hardly has any game-specific tasks documented, does it?). And if someone gets interested and wants to know more, we could also tell them to take a look at the research section in Skeetendo. Or perhaps at least put up a "global FAQ and resource thread" here alongside other - perhaps new or copied - tutorials which would just link to the original documents in that forum instead?

Would be also interesting to hear what @Luna thinks about this? :unsure: Also why the sudden name change :) ?

With that said, awesome to see you here, Miksy! I hope you'll stick around.
But yeah - thank you :) I guess I'll keep sticking around then!

This is certainly an interesting suggestion, and one I think we'll have to think carefully about. I'd be interested to see what other people think about it.
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Pia Carrot

Administrator
Admin
#5
I agree with a lot of your points, Miksy. As much as I don't like the current Research format for gen 1 and 2, as time goes on and more topics are posted I hope it fills out a bit better. A global FAQ thread like skeetendo wouldn't be a bad idea either.